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#166350 02/28/07 09:32 PM
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Although I am not necessarily proud of it, my heritage is from Philadelphia. I am proud of my earnest attempt (over these 40+ years) to shake that tell-tale accent.
I no longer pronounce dog as if it was spelled 'dawg' or water as if it was spelled with two O's and a D.
What stil lingers, however, with the word OFTEN is the pronunciation of the 'T'.

I would like to elicit a vote from every one who reads this: When YOU say "often", can we hear the sound of the 'T'?


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'T'?

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There is no t in my pronunciation of often.


Ceci n'est pas un seing.
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"When YOU say "often", can we hear the sound of the 'T'?

Not offen in Alabama.

Except when we are asked a question that requires the answer "often". In that case you would always hear the "t".

"Offentimes" is always spoken without a "t" except, of course, for the "t" in "times".

And rightly so.

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I don't pronounce the T. Until your post, Parkin, I thought it was an affectation. I'll see if I can find a pronunciation map (if Zm doesn't beat me to it!)

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there is a T in offen? next you'll be saying that there is no such word as juring (as in Juring the performance, the children behind me giggled and kicked the back of my seat)

(there have been freds about this sort of stuff before)

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Juring is Brit pronunciation, and I expect ofTen is, too, for the most part.

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Quote:

Juring is Brit pronunciation, and I expect ofTen is, too, for the most part.




I ain't no Brit, subhaan Allah, but "juring" is how it's normally said here, unless one is striving for deliberate over-enunciation of the sort associated (in the traditional K1W1 psyche at any rate) with an attempt at emulating Brits. As for offen, the "t" is ofTen heard when one is emphasising the point, otherwise it is offen unsaid.

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There is indeed a tendency to soffen the t

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I do not pronounce the t in soften or listen either. Mor the b in debt or subtle. Pronouncing the t in often is a recent hypercorrection.


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